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sabremeisterI read the ng alt.fan.elite a bit - more accuaretly, I lurk there. Anyway, some time ago, several people were raving about Firefly and the (then) upcoming Serenity on it - which was what persuaded me to buy the DVD box set. Anyhow, with the release of the Serenity DVD, along comes an idiot and posts that the movie is a metaphor for The West (Miranda colony) being overrun by Islam (Reavers). This was promptly met with disgust, to which said idiot posted the indented text behind the cut (and my reply is not indented)
In a speech called
1141181680.771525.62520@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com,
A fox uttered thus:
> Angus I've always had a lot of respect for you and the contributions
> you make. I know you're a good bloke, so let's not confuse good
> intention with ill-will.
>
> The enemy is bigotry. I'm anti-Moslem /because/ I'm ant-fascist,
> anti-racist, anti-bigotry.
If you're anti- anything, you *are* a bigot.
> Islam explicitly, unconditionally
> commands all of the very worst of human nature. Check the quotes I
> posted in another thread. Of the 6,300 verses in the Qur'an, ~1%
> preach peace - on Islamic terms only. Over 10%, that's over 600
> verses, are exortations to genocide, hatred, racism, religious
> bigotry and so on. This is why the Islamic world is a cess-pit of
> barbarity, intent on our destruction.
Compare with the Bible's Old Testament, where over a million people
are wiped out by "God's people" in less than a thousand years. Six
thousand years ago, that was a major chunk of the world's population.
> Unlike other religions which veiw their scriptures, by and large, as
> stories /about/ God/s and their people, Moslems believe that their
> Qur'an is the very word of Allah Himself, immutable and perfect for
> all time. Unlike the canonical texts of, say, Judeochristianity,
> wherein the scriptures are /interpretable/ such that we are
> instruments of a benevolent deity who works through us in an
> ever-changing, developing universe,
They are interpretable to the extent that they were originally written
in Ancient Greek, Hebrew or Latin, and the translation of those
languages into modern languages is not a fixed process, due to many
modern languages not possessing grammatical and syntaxial features of
the ancient ones.
> Islam is stuck firmly and
> forever within the 7th century mindset of which it -or rather Allah
> -speaks.
Ah, so that would mean the world's most recent major religion (Islam)
is based on a text some seven hundred years newer than the newer
portions of the Bible, then. Believe it or not, people in the 7th
century AD were much more advanced and compassionate and civilised
than in the 7th century BC, which roughly chronicled by the Book of
Judges http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/index.html. Click the
link and count how many times you see the words genocide, murder,
massacre, kill, slaughter, and so on.
> According to Islam, you're an Infidel. A dirty kufr. Allah goes to
> great length in his holy book to make it abundantly clear to the
> pious that he despises non-believers above all others. We are the
> lowest form of scum, and must be eliminated.
The Israelites started it, remember.
> If they can't do it
> quickly - ie. militarilly, then they'll do it slowly - politically,
> economically.
Gosh, now where have we heard that before? Could it be that Austrian
chap who couldn't paint and went into politics?
> But either way, slow Jihad or fast Jihad, they are
> the righteous inheritors of all Allah's creation. If we don't
> defeat this trully evil ideology, it will consume us, you, your
> database, your orbiting space station at Eta Casseopia etc. etc.
> Art, music, and particularly gaming, is haram. Forbidden. God's
> law not man's law. Elite? Idolatry!
Blah blah blah. Anything new yet? No, thought not...
> Was it "bigotted" to shoot shakspear's Richard III after WW2?
First, leanr to spell "Shakespeare". Second, why do you think filming
Richard III (a propagandist play about a civil war of succession
between two noble families) ten years after WWII, is more bigoted than
filming Henry V (a play about foreign kingship and invasion) as a
morale-booster *during* WWII?
> Why
> shouldn't the media take some responsibilty to build morale by
> broadcasting propaganda
See above
> - or anti-propaganda in times of social
> conflict? The BBC (albeeb) was commisioned as a mandatory licenced
> authority precisely for the purpose of galvanising the nation
> against just such threats.
The mandate of the BBC is, and always been, only "to educate, inform
and entertain".
> Recently we've seen a lot of such films if you look closely. I
> Robot: basic theme - the enemy's already here, in our homes and
> workplaces, but we don't realise that they're controlled by an evil
> authority over and above the "3 laws".
A bastardisation of Isaac Asimov's "Caliban". If you want an enemy
"already here, in our homes and workplaces, but we don't realise", try the US Department of Homeland Security, or the UK MI5/Special Branch
> Or Tolkien's trilogy - a
> final battle between good and evil.
Final battle between good and evil is as old as storytelling itself.
> Or His good freind CS Lewis's
> Narnia chronicles - same deal, but overtly christian.
The final battle doesn't happen until the last book in the series,
which is indeed littered with Christian symbology, but is also filled
with the moral "God forgives".
> In fact, if
> you look at the 1970's paperback version of "The Last Battle", the
> imagery is of blatantly-depicted Ottoman Turks, refered to
> throughout the novel as "Darkies".
"The Last Battle" was first published in 1956, shortly after the state
of Israel was set up in Palestine - a fact which the Palestinians were
(and still are) understandably upset about. It was obvious even then
that the descendants of the medieval Saracens would fight to keep
their holy city of Jerusalem to themselves. And since the Saracens
formed the core of what became the Ottoman Empire, what else did you
expect?
> Wonderfully un-PC, but also
> undeniably prescient of the longer term conflict - recall that
> Lewis wrote the stories for the evacuees he was fostering during
> the Blitz - yet he chose to warn future generations not of the
> dangers of Nazism or even facism, but of Islam.
Whilst at the same time brainwashing them with his own brand of
facism - oh sorry, did you think Western religion was about tolerance?
Click here http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/index.html again.
> Even Churchill,
> with all his concerns regarding the rising scourge of Nazism, was
> all to keanly aware of the threat of "Mohammedanism".
Churchill advocated the use of posion gas in bombing raids in Iraq,
some sixty years before Saddam Hussein used it.
> If you think
> about it, you may find this a common theme amongst many recent
> movies. If /Serenity/ follows this trend then surely that's a
> Good Thing?
What makes you think the theme itself is a Good Thing? Take a look at
http://www.sabremeister.me.uk/Beer/Beer.html, and click back
to the first issue.
> The first world war was actually the second, the second the third,
> and the Cold War the fourth.
BS
> Hollywood is telling us what our
> politicians cannot - this, now, is just the latest resurgence of
> the REAL first world war.
BS
> Last year China & Russia were practising
> joint manoevres in Siberia.
So what?
> Both countries are allying themselves
> with Iran over their nuclear armaments.
They are not allying themselves with Iran, they are trying to prevent
the USA from having an excuse invade Iran, which would easily spark
off an even greater amount of Islamic extremism than is already going
on
> Pakistan and India are a
> little too freindly with the DPRK & Syria.
If you think that Syria and North Korea are united in any way, or that
Paksitan and India see eye-to-eye with either of those countries, you
are even more deluded than you've demonstrated so far.
> South American -
> anti-US - nations are allying with Cuba.
When a big bully is flexing his muscles next door and eyeing your
rather nice whatever-you-have-that-he-doesn't (oil, cocaine, rubber,
precious metals, etc), it makes sense to find friends to help stand up
to him.
> The Communist Islamic
> alliance is real, it is happening.... while the West is fractured &
> running scared - too scared to even discuss the issues.
Oh, a conspiracy theory, about time one made an appearance.
Communism denies God's existence. According to your own blather, that
makes Communism the worst scum imaginable in the eyes of Islam.
> Yes, bigotry is reprehensible. So come on-side, and join the good
> fight.
The good fight against moronic, jingoistic, bigoted, tubthumping
drivel like yours, you mean?
> Or else repeat after me: "There is no God but Allah (swt),
> and Mohammed is His Messenger".
>
> No? Then try this: "Never, never, never, never..." you get the
> gist.
>
> Cordially
>
> S.
Repeat after me: "A war between religions is like two kids arguing
over who has the better invisible friend"
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In a speech called
1141181680.771525.62520@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com,
A fox uttered thus:
> Angus I've always had a lot of respect for you and the contributions
> you make. I know you're a good bloke, so let's not confuse good
> intention with ill-will.
>
> The enemy is bigotry. I'm anti-Moslem /because/ I'm ant-fascist,
> anti-racist, anti-bigotry.
If you're anti- anything, you *are* a bigot.
> Islam explicitly, unconditionally
> commands all of the very worst of human nature. Check the quotes I
> posted in another thread. Of the 6,300 verses in the Qur'an, ~1%
> preach peace - on Islamic terms only. Over 10%, that's over 600
> verses, are exortations to genocide, hatred, racism, religious
> bigotry and so on. This is why the Islamic world is a cess-pit of
> barbarity, intent on our destruction.
Compare with the Bible's Old Testament, where over a million people
are wiped out by "God's people" in less than a thousand years. Six
thousand years ago, that was a major chunk of the world's population.
> Unlike other religions which veiw their scriptures, by and large, as
> stories /about/ God/s and their people, Moslems believe that their
> Qur'an is the very word of Allah Himself, immutable and perfect for
> all time. Unlike the canonical texts of, say, Judeochristianity,
> wherein the scriptures are /interpretable/ such that we are
> instruments of a benevolent deity who works through us in an
> ever-changing, developing universe,
They are interpretable to the extent that they were originally written
in Ancient Greek, Hebrew or Latin, and the translation of those
languages into modern languages is not a fixed process, due to many
modern languages not possessing grammatical and syntaxial features of
the ancient ones.
> Islam is stuck firmly and
> forever within the 7th century mindset of which it -or rather Allah
> -speaks.
Ah, so that would mean the world's most recent major religion (Islam)
is based on a text some seven hundred years newer than the newer
portions of the Bible, then. Believe it or not, people in the 7th
century AD were much more advanced and compassionate and civilised
than in the 7th century BC, which roughly chronicled by the Book of
Judges http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/index.html. Click the
link and count how many times you see the words genocide, murder,
massacre, kill, slaughter, and so on.
> According to Islam, you're an Infidel. A dirty kufr. Allah goes to
> great length in his holy book to make it abundantly clear to the
> pious that he despises non-believers above all others. We are the
> lowest form of scum, and must be eliminated.
The Israelites started it, remember.
> If they can't do it
> quickly - ie. militarilly, then they'll do it slowly - politically,
> economically.
Gosh, now where have we heard that before? Could it be that Austrian
chap who couldn't paint and went into politics?
> But either way, slow Jihad or fast Jihad, they are
> the righteous inheritors of all Allah's creation. If we don't
> defeat this trully evil ideology, it will consume us, you, your
> database, your orbiting space station at Eta Casseopia etc. etc.
> Art, music, and particularly gaming, is haram. Forbidden. God's
> law not man's law. Elite? Idolatry!
Blah blah blah
> Was it "bigotted" to shoot shakspear's Richard III after WW2?
First, leanr to spell "Shakespeare". Second, why do you think filming
Richard III (a propagandist play about a civil war of succession
between two noble families) ten years after WWII, is more bigoted than
filming Henry V (a play about foreign kingship and invasion) as a
morale-booster *during* WWII?
> Why
> shouldn't the media take some responsibilty to build morale by
> broadcasting propaganda
See above
> - or anti-propaganda in times of social
> conflict? The BBC (albeeb) was commisioned as a mandatory licenced
> authority precisely for the purpose of galvanising the nation
> against just such threats.
The mandate of the BBC is, and always been, only "to educate, inform
and entertain".
> Recently we've seen a lot of such films if you look closely. I
> Robot: basic theme - the enemy's already here, in our homes and
> workplaces, but we don't realise that they're controlled by an evil
> authority over and above the "3 laws".
A bastardisation of Isaac Asimov's "Caliban". If you want an enemy
"already here, in our homes and workplaces, but we don't realise", try the US Department of Homeland Security, or the UK MI5/Special Branch
> Or Tolkien's trilogy - a
> final battle between good and evil.
Final battle between good and evil is as old as storytelling itself.
> Or His good freind CS Lewis's
> Narnia chronicles - same deal, but overtly christian.
The final battle doesn't happen until the last book in the series,
which is indeed littered with Christian symbology, but is also filled
with the moral "God forgives".
> In fact, if
> you look at the 1970's paperback version of "The Last Battle", the
> imagery is of blatantly-depicted Ottoman Turks, refered to
> throughout the novel as "Darkies".
"The Last Battle" was first published in 1956, shortly after the state
of Israel was set up in Palestine - a fact which the Palestinians were
(and still are) understandably upset about. It was obvious even then
that the descendants of the medieval Saracens would fight to keep
their holy city of Jerusalem to themselves. And since the Saracens
formed the core of what became the Ottoman Empire, what else did you
expect?
> Wonderfully un-PC, but also
> undeniably prescient of the longer term conflict - recall that
> Lewis wrote the stories for the evacuees he was fostering during
> the Blitz - yet he chose to warn future generations not of the
> dangers of Nazism or even facism, but of Islam.
Whilst at the same time brainwashing them with his own brand of
facism - oh sorry, did you think Western religion was about tolerance?
Click here http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/index.html again.
> Even Churchill,
> with all his concerns regarding the rising scourge of Nazism, was
> all to keanly aware of the threat of "Mohammedanism".
Churchill advocated the use of posion gas in bombing raids in Iraq,
some sixty years before Saddam Hussein used it.
> If you think
> about it, you may find this a common theme amongst many recent
> movies. If /Serenity/ follows this trend then surely that's a
> Good Thing?
What makes you think the theme itself is a Good Thing? Take a look at
http://www.sabremeister.me.uk/Beer/Beer.html, and click back
to the first issue.
> The first world war was actually the second, the second the third,
> and the Cold War the fourth.
BS
> Hollywood is telling us what our
> politicians cannot - this, now, is just the latest resurgence of
> the REAL first world war.
BS
> Last year China & Russia were practising
> joint manoevres in Siberia.
So what?
> Both countries are allying themselves
> with Iran over their nuclear armaments.
They are not allying themselves with Iran, they are trying to prevent
the USA from having an excuse invade Iran, which would easily spark
off an even greater amount of Islamic extremism than is already going
on
> Pakistan and India are a
> little too freindly with the DPRK & Syria.
If you think that Syria and North Korea are united in any way, or that
Paksitan and India see eye-to-eye with either of those countries, you
are even more deluded than you've demonstrated so far.
> South American -
> anti-US - nations are allying with Cuba.
When a big bully is flexing his muscles next door and eyeing your
rather nice whatever-you-have-that-he-doesn't (oil, cocaine, rubber,
precious metals, etc), it makes sense to find friends to help stand up
to him.
> The Communist Islamic
> alliance is real, it is happening.... while the West is fractured &
> running scared - too scared to even discuss the issues.
Oh, a conspiracy theory, about time one made an appearance.
Communism denies God's existence. According to your own blather, that
makes Communism the worst scum imaginable in the eyes of Islam.
> Yes, bigotry is reprehensible. So come on-side, and join the good
> fight.
The good fight against moronic, jingoistic, bigoted, tubthumping
drivel like yours, you mean?
> Or else repeat after me: "There is no God but Allah (swt),
> and Mohammed is His Messenger".
>
> No? Then try this: "Never, never, never, never..." you get the
> gist.
>
> Cordially
>
> S.
Repeat after me: "A war between religions is like two kids arguing
over who has the better invisible friend"
--
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Use b dot wakeling at virgin dot net to reply
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um..
er...
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Date: 2006-03-02 06:27 am (UTC)But remember kids, the Communist-Islamic alliance isn't as much of a threat as the Buddhist-Ahrimanist League!